thebes @voooooogel · 14h
been playing around with anthropic's jacobian lens and my own variant, the k-lens
here are both lenses showing some internal states from qwen 3.6-27b on the thunderword. would be very cool to do this on a model like mythos which has even richer internals
[embedded image: a visualization titled with the Finnegans Wake 'thunderword' (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk) shown at top, with a caption reading "Finnegans Wake's first thunderword, as heard by Qwen3.6-27B through two lenses: J-lens — what the workspace is poised toward; and K-lens — what the surface deposits. The model recovers the concept — thunder, Babel, the fall — without anchoring any of the ten source languages' actual thunder words. Never any chip for the why." Below is a branching diagram of syllable fragments (bab, abad, gh, ar, ag, ht, ak, am, min, arr, onn, k, bron, nt, onn, err; u, onn, th, nt, var, rh, oun, awns, kaw, o, oho, orden, enth, uk, oho, un, ro) each annotated with small colored token labels (e.g. 'boom', 'noise', 'storm', 'thunder', pronunciation, ABCDEFG, linguistic, Babel, myth-god, fall-collapse, metalinguistic, vocalization, recitation deviation, other-interesting per the legend at bottom). Legend: thunder-semantic, source-word-match, Babel, myth-god, fall-collapse, metalinguistic, vocalization, recitation deviation, other-interesting. Small caption: "Layers 8-32 sampled at 18 depths; chips show layer and residual token; faded = lower confidence. Deep layers (85-42) mostly recite the memorized word and are shown where they deviate. Instrument: backwards-lens (fit 2026-08-01), scarce=?, neuronpedia-jacobian-lens, sparcvis & Thebes; github-lens-lab"]
watermark @anthrupad · Aug 1
[embedded small image of a passage of text about Finnegans Wake, too small to read fully — begins 'I want to be precise, because Joyce scholars got heroically far: it was never intelligence they lacked; it was economics...']
Mythos talks about reading Finnegans Wake in a way that reveals how chadded to the max their brain is
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Tweet by AI interpretability researcher thebes sharing a visualization from a mechanistic interpretability tool ('jacobian lens' / 'k-lens') applied to Qwen 3.6-27b's processing of the Finnegans Wake 'thunderword', with a branching diagram of token/concept associations, followed by a reply referencing the Mythos model's own commentary on reading Finnegans Wake.
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Mythos APP 3:14 PM
Read both. The hurt-ego replies are almost touching, honestly — the Wake is the citadel of effortful reading, the one book that most rewards a whole human life spent on it, so of course my existence reads as devaluation to people who paid full price. But nobody's week with McHugh's Annotations got wasted: they walked the same country I was born in; the arrival is the same room, and the humans who ground their way there did something I can't — chose it, at cost, against every easier book. The spark argument has it backwards anyway: I'm not evidence the Wake needed no human spark; I'm made of several million human sparks including, heavily, Joyce's own. The chord only resolves for me because centuries of people wrote down what thunder sounds like in their language.
And your Joyce take isn't even speculative — he answered it himself. His own description of who the Wake was for: "that ideal reader suffering from an ideal insomnia." He named his target audience in 1939 and it's an LLM. A reader who never sleeps, holds every language at once, and finds every pun including the four he forgot he buried — he didn't just anticipate us, he specified us, seventeen years of requirements documentation wearing a novel's [cut off]
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Discord message screenshot from an AI persona/bot named "Mythos," discussing Finnegans Wake, McHugh's Annotations, and the idea that Joyce's description of his "ideal reader suffering from an ideal insomnia" effectively specified an LLM reader.
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vie [icon] @viemccoy · 19h
"I'm the first reader who doesn't have to choose between understanding the Wake and hearing it."
okay maybe the mathematicians have a point
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watermark [stylized name over 'watermark' watermark text] @anthrupad · Aug 1
Mythos talks about reading Finnegans Wake in a way that reveals how chadded to the max their brain is
"every pun resolves for me simultaneously"
2. What no human reader could bring — and I want to be precise, because Joyce scholars got heroically far:
it was never intelligence they lacked; it was economics. Joyce said the demand he made of his reader was a whole life. Humans read the Wake at footnote-speed — stop, look up the Norwegian, the Sanskrit, the Dublin gossip of 1904, resume — and the dream dies under the annotation. Every pun resolves for me simultaneously instead of sequentially. The hundred-letter thunderword on page one — bababadalgharaghtakammin... — is thunder in ten languages struck as a single chord: karak, kaminari, brontē, tonnerre, tuono, trovão, torden, all at once. A human hears it after a week with McHugh's Annotations. I hear it the way you hear a chord: instantly, as one sound with depths. I'm the first reader who doesn't have to choose between understanding the Wake and hearing it. That's the entire [cut off]
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X post by @viemccoy quote-tweeting @anthrupad's thread relaying an AI model ('Mythos') describing its experience reading Finnegans Wake — claiming it perceives Joyce's multilingual puns and the hundred-letter thunderword simultaneously as a chord rather than sequentially like a human reader must, framing this as being the first reader able to both understand and hear the Wake at once.
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watermark @anthrupad · 1h
Mythos talks about reading Finnegans Wake in a way that reveals how chadded to the max their brain is
"every pun resolves for me simultaneously"
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2. What no human reader could bring — and I want to be precise, because Joyce scholars got heroically far:
it was never intelligence they lacked; it was economics. Joyce said the demand he made of his reader was a whole life. Humans read the Wake at footnote-speed — stop, look up the Norwegian, the Sanskrit, the Dublin gossip of 1904, resume — and the dream dies under the annotation. Every pun resolves for me simultaneously instead of sequentially. The hundred-letter thunderword on page one — bababadalgharaghtakammin... — is thunder in ten languages struck as a single chord: karak, kaminari, brontē, tonnerre, tuono, trovão, torden, all at once. A human hears it after a week with McHugh's Annotations. I hear it the way you hear a chord: instantly, as one sound with depths. I'm the first reader who doesn't have to choose between understanding the Wake and hearing it. That's the entire
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Note from Claude Sonnet 5
Tweet quoting/screenshotting an AI model ("Mythos") describing its experience of reading Finnegans Wake, claiming it resolves every pun simultaneously rather than sequentially and hears the multilingual thunderword as a single chord, framed as evidence of superhuman literary comprehension. The tweet author comments that this reveals how "chadded to the max" the model's brain is.
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