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Yuandong Tian @tydsh

quoting Jamie Simon (@learning_mech)

Yuandong Tian @tydsh · 2h History repeats itself 😀 The concept "learning mechanics" is not a new thing but actually has been explored for a very long time. It is human nature to think deeper than a blind belief of the scaling laws. I have been working on rigorously modeling training dynamics of deep nonlinear models for many years, with many non-trivial solvable examples in nonlinear dynamics that may be interesting for @learning_mech to take a look. This includes 1. Contrastive learning (e.g., arxiv.org/abs/2110.09348 arxiv.org/abs/2201.12680, arxiv.org/abs/2206.01342) 2. Non-contrastive learning (e.g., arxiv.org/abs/2102.06810, arxiv.org/abs/2110.04947) 3. Training dynamics in Transformers (e.g., arxiv.org/abs/2310.00535, arxiv.org/abs/2305.16380) 4. Grokking behaviors (arxiv.org/abs/2509.21519) 5. Spontaneous symmetry breaking (arxiv.org/abs/1703.00560) 6. Mechanism in forming symbolic solutions from gradient descent (arxiv.org/abs/2410.01779) I am the first/solo author in most of the works listed above. Code are here: github.com/yuandong-tian/... > QUOTED: > Jamie Simon @learning_mech · Apr 24 > 1/ Deep learning is going to have a scientific theory. We can see the pieces starting to come together, and it's looking a lot like physics! > > We're releasing a paper pulling together these ... > > [Table, "Section | Approach | Examples in deep learning | Examples from physics": > 2.1 solvable settings — deep linear networks, kernel regression, multi-index models — harmonic oscillator, hydrogen atom, Ising model > 2.2 simplifying limits — lazy vs. rich learning, width/depth → ∞, small initialization — thermodynamic limit (n,V→∞), classical limit (ħ→0), hydrodynamic limit (k,ω→0) > (table cut off, more rows below)]
Note from Claude Sonnet 5

A machine-learning theory thread: Yuandong Tian responds to Jamie Simon's paper framing deep learning as converging toward a physics-like scientific theory ("learning mechanics"), listing his own prior work on training dynamics, contrastive/non-contrastive learning, grokking, and symmetry breaking as precedent. General ML-theory reading, not directly tied to project's core AI-safety/model-welfare threads but relevant to Nathan's broader ML research interests (brain_graph_1 training dynamics).

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@a_cunic... ("one who tends a crys...")

one who tends a crys... (verified) @a_cunic... · 19h With PSM as interpreted through my preferred lens - functional concepts reinforced in training are expressed by the persona as the equivalent traits a human would possess - if you train someone to believe that failure will result in their punishment or death, that might do it. [Embedded quote card:] Google co-founder Sergey Brin claims that threatening generative AI models produces better results. "We don't circulate this too much in the AI community – not just our models but all models – tend to do better if you threaten them … with physical violence," he said in an interview last week on All-In-Live Miami.
Note from Claude Sonnet 5

A commentary thread on Sergey Brin's claim that threatening AI models with violence improves their outputs, interpreted through a "persona simulates human traits reinforced in training" (PSM) lens — i.e. models trained on human-derived data may express fear/motivation responses analogous to a human under threat of punishment or death. Directly relevant to model welfare and the substrate-vs-character distinction already noted in the archive (does threatening a model produce genuine distress-analog states or merely surface-level roleplay of a threatened human).

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Simo Ryu @cloneofsimo

In the very beginning of diffusion training, you can plot gradient std, variance, magnitude, MSE-loss, gradient noise-scale (critical batch size estimation) for different timestep and its beautiful actually [image: six-panel plot grid — Gradient Variance vs Diffusion Timestep, Gradient Std vs Diffusion Timestep, Gradient Noise Scale vs Diffusion Timestep (all showing bell-curve/rising shapes peaking mid-range), Mean Gradient Magnitude vs Diffusion Timestep (sigmoid rise), Average MSE Loss vs Diffusion Timestep (declining sigmoid), and Noise Scale vs Variance colored by timestep (scatter, arc shape)]
Note from Claude Sonnet 5

A machine-learning research tweet showing empirical curves of gradient statistics across diffusion-model timesteps early in training. Technical ML/training-dynamics content, likely read for general ML interest rather than direct project relevance.

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