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Tetraspace 💎 @TetraspaceWest Suffering is great! But, like, rich Westerner who is good at arranging their life levels of suffering, not the amount of suffering that the average human experiences. > QUOTED: Pops Maellard @MellardPops · May 17 > Replying to @poisonjr > Bad argument. Sad scenes can add emotional depth to the movie and make it stronger. Movies aren't real. Real life is real. What's the point of suffering in real life? 3:53 AM · May 18, 2025 · 1,313 Views [3 comments, 5 retweets, 51 likes, 3 bookmarks] Tetraspace @TetraspaceWest · 5h I'm happy a lot of the time and choose to enjoy a lot of things, but in the way of humans, not of superhappies, and definitely not in the way where dying of malnutrition-amplified malaria would be an important part of my arc in the cosmos. [1 comment, 12 likes, 169 views] Tetraspace @TetraspaceWest · 5h Of course few people accept answers about the point of cluster headaches, or the point of someone getting depression starting 11 and then killing themselves at 24, or the point of a malnourished child's
impaired immune system failing to fight malaria, because there is no point. [1 comment, 14 likes, 152 views] Tetraspace 💎 @TetraspaceWest · 5h And perhaps we lack the language to talk about those things, as distinct from the strength and determination of getting knocked down and getting back up again, the melancholy and beauty of art stemming from the pain of a breakup, the aching muscles of training for a marathon. [2 comments, 11 likes, 312 views] Tetraspace 💎 @TetraspaceWest · 5h Something that cares about humans would give us the latter, and not the former (or, something better than the latter, of subtlety and beauty we can scarcely imagine). The latter can not be used as a shield for the former, because the former is not justified.
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Note from Claude Sonnet 5
A philosophical Twitter exchange (Tetraspace, an EA/rationalist-adjacent account) pushing back on "suffering has meaning/value" framings by pointing out survivorship bias — such claims come from people whose suffering is comfortably curated, not from those with severe, meaningless suffering (malaria, cluster headaches, depression-driven suicide). Companion piece to the earlier Buddhism/Stoicism suffering thread (Screenshot_20250518-044357) in this same batch. Continuation of the Tetraspace thread arguing against romanticizing suffering: distinguishes meaningful hardship (marathon training, artistic melancholy) from meaningless suffering (malaria, suicide, cluster headaches), concluding that "something that cares about humans" — implicitly framed with AI-alignment/x-risk undertones typical of this account — would eliminate the latter, not use the former to justify it. Relevant to project's ethics-of-suffering and welfare-adjacent discourse threads.
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