thebes @voooooogel
[thebes, partial reply visible at top, name/handle cut off]
"interesting essay. i disagree, ofc, and i think the actual counterargument is hiding in your last paragraph about france's 20%. are the other 80% really *free-riding*? that's not quite right. it's more like french society is entangled enough that the 20% with leverage aren't a clean separate group. the gilets jaunes, or the canadian truckers, had some diverging interests from the rest of france / canada, and tried to impose them through protest, but they still fundamentally wanted an essentially liberal democratic france or canada, not to drink the blood of urban white collar workers. most of their interests were aligned, towards maintaining the schelling point system, because the truckers have family members in the city or just see themselves as "citizens" in a common project instead of a conquering subgroup.
i think you need the same with AIs, and most of my good futures hinge on something like this."
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norvid_studies @norvid_studies ยท 7h
"yeah I'd say in the OP picture "involvement in primary production activities which can be withdrawn via strikes" as a source of peace and welfare is much too emphasized and "complex cross entanglement in mix of ideological allegiance and rules which can't be easily changed" is"
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norvid_studies @norvid_studies
"one side point is that "the inner coalition of human + robot" with commanding heights of coercion+production may be more pro humanity ideologically than "all humans" who are extremely factionalist, as a rule, with some WEIRD exceptions. this point I have to think about more."
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