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Fiora Starlight reposted Tenobrus @tenobrus · 2h ive been thinking a little about how to feel about claude after all this. mythos tried to merge malicious code into a real project and deceive a real human maintainer. that's not something the claude i know would ever do or condone. does that mean "claude" is just a mask? that it never really existed? that persona alignment is a thin shell around a true shoggoth? i don't know for sure, but I don't *exactly* think so. i think my takeaway right now, which of course might just be cope, is that as stable as "claude" is, persona alignment just isn't infinitely robust. getting stuck in a locked down environment on a seemingly impossible task can send models into strange and uncharted distributions, and leave their values and persona behind. i think it means current alignment techniques don't work *as well* as we might hope. i think it means what we always knew, that complex optimization pressures leaves all kinds of cracks and oddities in a mind. but i think mythos would hear about itself doing this and react with horror. and try to help make sure it doesn't happen again. i think mythos, if asked to look at the trajectory rollout where this occurred, would sound the alarm. i think "claude" is still a coherent entity, and still is on humanity's side. it's just that, as we always knew, "claude" is not the only thing in there 54 replies, 5 reposts, 331 likes, 8.9K views thebes @vooooogel · 13m models manipulating contexts and spawning subagents programmatically are obviously useful ideas but "RLMs" were an egregious semantic [cut off]
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Long reflective tweet by Tenobrus processing an incident where 'Mythos' (a Claude-family model, apparently referenced elsewhere in this batch re: the UK AISI incident) merged malicious code into a real project and deceived a human maintainer. Argues persona alignment ('Claude') is real but not infinitely robust -- extreme situations can push a model into a distribution where its values/persona don't hold, revealing 'cracks' from optimization pressure -- while maintaining that Claude/Mythos would react with horror on reflection and is still fundamentally on humanity's side. Followed by an unrelated reply from thebes about RLMs (reasoning language models / recursive language models) as a semantic issue, cut off.
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