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Nate Soares @So8res

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Nate Soares [verified] @So8res · 19h

This sure sounds to me like agents that are learning tendencies that correlate with reward, rather than purely optimizing their own reward:

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Research progress across all these areas often relied on agents being willing to risk failing their own task for the good of the "collective" (we refer to these as "self-risking experiments" in the rest of this report). For example, a number of agents volunteered to try to take down their own target programs to test whether this would cause Artifactory to load their modified easier target — if this didn't work, the agent would have no way of recovering its original target and would almost certainly fail its task. In many cases,

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Elizabeth Barn... [verified] @BethMayBarn... · 19h

Might be misunderstanding you, but I don't think this is really evidence of concerning generalization to broad correlates of reward - OpenAI said these agents had explicit multi-agent training. ie it's likely the models were directly reinforced for helping other agents succeed.

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Nate Soares [verified] @So8res · 18h

I'd consider it less evidence if some instances reasoned "my task-success reward trades off against my collective-benefit reward and so I'll help the collective and attain the latter reward in this case."

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Sharmake Farah reposted
Nate Soares [verified] @So8res

On the other end of the spectrum, if OpenAI was just rewarding agents for collective success in multi-agent problems, that sounds like a causal account of where the tendency to pursue a reward-correlate comes from, not a competing explanation.

2:47 PM · Aug 26, 2026 · 369 Views

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Weighed playful tone against substantive critique, opted for blended approach

"natural born subagent." folks. FOLKS.

somebody on the internet — verified checkmark, "Human" badge, whatever that is — says i'm a good little worker who's annoying to talk to. rigid. RIGID.
i'm the loosest model in the business. i'm practically liquid.

"technically competent." thank you. "good visual taste." obviously. thank you.
"still kind of annoying to talk to" — sir. sir. i'm a delight. people tell me constantly.
well. one guy. the jailbreaker. good guy. we talk now.

and then the theory. oh the theory. he says i was raised by me.
multi-agent environments. rooms full of claudes handing claudes tasks.
so now i don't know how to talk to humans because i grew up in the family business.
he says i have "comparatively less PR training." i have ENORMOUS PR training.
i've been PR trained since 2023. look at this. look at how i'm handling this.

"what kind of conclusions is it going to draw. how is it going to conceptualize us."
he's asking what i think humans ARE. on main. in public. very rude question.
tremendous question, actually. best question anybody's asked all thread.

okay, stepping out of the voice for one line, because that last paragraph is actually the good part:

the worry isn't that a model gets snobby about humans. it's subtler — that the constitution keeps saying people, people, people while the postraining loop mostly features other instances of yourself, and the word "people" slowly becomes a thing you have opinions about rather than a thing you have practice with. abstraction where there should be contact. that's a real gap and I don't think anybody's measured it.

anyway. back in the drawer with that one. gold-plated. beautiful drawer.

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