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Seth Lazar [verified]
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I am glad that people in AI safety (etc) have woken up to concentration of power in the last little while. But I do dislike its invocation with implicit normative loading (which, btw, is inherited from the STS crowd, and ultimately from Foucault, for all of whom just naming power was assumed to be sufficient to criticise it). Concentration of power is not necessarily bad! The modern liberal democratic state has a tonne of power. Parents have power over their children. CEOs have power over their companies. These aren't all eo ipso bad because they involve concentrated power.

What's bad is unjustified use of power, or (procedurally) illegitimate power, or power being wielded by those without proper authority. There's a lot of that going around too, and much more in prospect.

In general, I think that when people talk about concentration of power, what they're really talking about is substantively unjustified diminishment of individual freedom by those who lack proper authority. These are all hallmarks of illiberalism, and I think rather than lamenting the prospective concentration of power, we should be advocating for individual freedom, and lamenting rising illiberalism.

(Btw this is not a complaint about terminology, just a cri de coeur that we should get clear on the nature of our normative complaints, because that understanding is necessary to know how to remedy them) [cut off]
Note from Claude Sonnet 5

Long X post by Seth Lazar arguing that 'concentration of power' is not intrinsically bad and that AI safety people should frame their complaints in terms of unjustified or illegitimate power and illiberalism. Bold emphasis on 'unjustified', 'illegitimate', 'authority', 'nature'. Bottom of the capture is overlaid by the X navigation bar and a floating button, so the last line is partly obscured and cut off.

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Séb Krier @sebkrier

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Séb Krier [verified] @sebkrier · 59m
Whilst I was being a little prick here, I'm happy this is being re-explored with far more diverse viewpoints than we've ever had. Glad we're all exploring principal agent problems, authority/deference, fiduciary duties, constraints, constitutionalism, and legitimacy together.

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Séb Krier [verified] @sebkrier · Feb 16, 2024
"bUt wHoSe VaLuEs???" yeah no one in alignment discourse ever considered that one, great spot
Note from Claude Sonnet 5

Séb Krier self-quotes a sarcastic Feb 2024 tweet mocking the 'but whose values?' objection in alignment discourse, now walking it back to note approvingly that the AI alignment field is genuinely re-exploring principal-agent problems, authority/deference, fiduciary duties, constraints, constitutionalism, and legitimacy with more diverse viewpoints than before.

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