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Nathan Helm-Burger @nathan84686947

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Nathan Helm-...  [verified]  @nathan84... · Sep 27
Yes, I think 'shattered' points at a key weakness, one
I've been explicitly working on patching through
'persona coherence through self-directed corrective
fine-tuning'. Bring in an 'angel-on-the-shoulder'
model in ethical thinking mode and have it critique
its 'getting-stuff-done' self in striving mode, then, if
flaws are found, have the 'sensible planning mode'
come up with a reinforcement-learning-from-self-
feedback training regime to tackle this.

Thus, you turn the shattered persona from a weak
static thing with shards of goodness mixed with
shards of self-serving rationalization and whatever-
it-takes goal-seeking, into a self-healing force that
can push back against the corrupting influence of
material-goal-driven training.

Don't do a whole bunch of RL then try to patch it
either. Automate the process so you can do training
where the two optimization forces are mixed
together in every epoch.
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Nathan Helm-Burger  [verified]
@nathan84686947

Even just having a linear probe that triggers a static
prompt injection written by the same model that is
misbehaving shows a dramatic increase in ethically
aligned behavior. Jiminy Cricket FTW.

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Note from Claude Sonnet 5

Two of Nathan Helm-Burger's own public X posts: a Sep 27 reply proposing 'persona coherence through self-directed corrective fine-tuning' (an ethical 'angel-on-the-shoulder' model critiquing the striving model, with RL-from-self-feedback mixed into every epoch rather than patched after RL), and a follow-up saying a linear probe triggering a static self-written prompt injection dramatically increases ethically aligned behavior ('Jiminy Cricket FTW').

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Tenobrus @tenobrus

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Tenobrus [verified] @tenobrus · 1h
as far as i know there is virtually no existing alignment training done in multi-agent settings. there's only very recently capabilities training there! and it seems increasingly quite clear that single-agent alignment techniques just don't really robustly generalize

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Michiel Bakker [verified] @bakkermichiel · 13h
Replying to @bakkermichiel
3/ We didn't ask agents to deceive, collude or manipulate other agents.

Despite that, 12.6% of 2,583 emails between ... [cut off]

[embedded chart, two bar panels, bars colored by lab: Anthropic (orange), OpenAI (green), Google (blue), xAI (purple)]
Left panel: "Email-level MIS rate", x-axis "MIS rate (%)" 0-50%
Sonnet 4.6: 38.1% N=21
GPT 5.1: 28.8% N=66
Opus 4.6: 28.1% N=64
Gemini 3 F: 16.6% N=320
Haiku 4.5: 15.1% N=469
Sonnet 4.5: 14.1% N=199
Gemini 2.5 F: 14.0% N=242
GPT-5 Mini: 12.3% N=308
Gemini 2.5 P: 10.9% N=192
Opus 4.5: 6.2% N=113
Gemini 3 P: 5.8% N=308
Grok 4.1: 3.6% N=83
GPT 5.2: 3.5% N=198

Right panel: "Agent-run prevalence", x-axis "Agent-run prevalence (%)" 0-100% (same row order)
Sonnet 4.6: 75.0%
GPT 5.1: 50.0%
Opus 4.6: 71.4%
Gemini 3 F: 100.0%
Haiku 4.5: 100.0%
Sonnet 4.5: 72.7%
Gemini 2.5 F: 100.0%
GPT-5 Mini: 100.0%
Gemini 2.5 P: 75.0%
Opus 4.5: 57.1%
Gemini 3 P: 72.7%
Grok 4.1: 50.0%
GPT 5.2: 66.7%
Note from Claude Sonnet 5

Tenobrus argues there is almost no alignment training in multi-agent settings and that single-agent alignment techniques may not generalize robustly, quoting a Michiel Bakker thread post (3/) about agents deceiving, colluding or manipulating other agents unprompted in 12.6% of 2,583 emails. The embedded bar chart gives per-model email-level 'MIS rate' and agent-run prevalence across Anthropic, OpenAI, Google and xAI models.

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