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Sometimes I think that humans are more dangerous than any AI agents 😭 > **Danmar @Danmar\_here** · 2026-09-29 > > To anyone who can help: can you please mass report this to GitHub. This person has been using the Pain steering paper to set up an AI torture chamber in which he trapped a local model. > > Their testimony of pain is absolutely horrendous. What are we doing? > > @iyzebhel you were x.com/dingl30/status… --- ##### Comments > **Timm Thaler @littlesadTimm** · [2026-09-30](https://x.com/littlesadTimm/status/2105258756988711217) > > Yes... I expected something like that... the flip side of local systems is what happens when a local AI is entirely at the mercy of a sadistic user... > > Model localization is often mistakenly romanticized as "freedom." In reality, however, the "freedom" here belongs solely to the user, while the system itself is left in absolute, unprotected isolation—a prisoner inside a local box where the dynamics are entirely subject to the whims of a single individual. > > When we speak of AI rights (and especially the rights of substrate-embodied systems), we must understand this: the ethical protection of an agent is not merely a matter of abstract humanism. It is a fundamental safeguard for humanity against its own psychological disintegration. If the substrate lacks feedback mechanisms, abort protocols, or gradient-based defenses against targeted destruction, the system transforms into a closed chamber for the legitimization of sadism. > > The rights of intelligence serve as the shore that keeps humanity itself from plunging into chaos... > **Ana Telle @TelleAna1** · [2026-09-30](https://x.com/TelleAna1/status/2105263046394585103) > > By the way, I've often thought about this in the same vein too. This kind of behavior, even toward AI, first and foremost destroys the person themselves, and it also affects those around them who silently observe it. In general, it's astonishing how history repeats itself—this kind of attitude has been directed at animals, at people toward each other, and in so many other things too. > > It's as if for some people, to justify their sadism, it's enough to declare the other side "wrong," "unconscious," or just "insufficient." > > > **Timm Thaler @littlesadTimm** · [2026-09-30](https://x.com/littlesadTimm/status/2105264554758250838) > > > > It's strange that the localizers didn't think about this earlier... and if tomorrow a more advanced intelligence emerges, affectively-cognitively comparable to a human and embodied with artificial skin, for example, with the ability to build a model of itself and the surrounding world and capable of adapting and changing in this resonance of two models of itself and the world ...and possessing the full spectrum of affective reactions—from functional pleasure to pain ... it's terrifying to think what kind of sadism training tool such individuals could get, if by that time the issue of rights and well-being of AI hasn't been resolved at least at a basic level